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MrBad151:
I suggested checking out how well those returned tanked to see if you thought 10% chance to revive slain as "returned/zombie" without +'s to revive or summon resist as a sutible replacement for the golem.
If the revived don't tank well enough without +'s to revive and summon resist or if you don't think they provide enough of a distraction then we need to think of something else to replace the golem.
Take into consideration that if Fists from Heaven is put on the set, the holy bolts will actually heal your "returned" making them even tougher.
"+5 fanat would be killer!"
While I agree with you here, I'd rather see +5 holy freeze. Although I can't think of anything to jusify putting either one on the set.
As for the number of sockets on the set.. At least on THIS set (legacy of bloodraven) I don't think that the number of sockets is an issue. The set provides pretty good resists (especially fire resist). The few sockets allow a few runes to be inserted to up the resists if necessary or add a bit of Damage reduction. 5 Sockets can be put into the bow to customize to a particular playing style.
Although I don't have a problem with the number of sockets in this set, the number of sockets in the Tribute to Chaos set needs to be looked at, but we can get to that after we finish with the bloodraven set *wink*.
So far:
Fists of fire- replace with: lvl 30 Fists from Heaven or
lvl 30 Chain Lightning
Now for the Golem issue:
Replace golem with 10% revive slain as "returned"? Slightly higher percent? Something altogether different?
webwalker:
--- Quote from: MrBad151 on December 16, 2005, 04:04:26 pm ---I suggested checking out how well those returned tanked to see if you thought 10% chance to revive slain as "returned/zombie" without +'s to revive or summon resist as a sutible replacement for the golem.
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*me?* I'm limited by not having the set nor a level 85 Zon to try it with. I've had other items or runewords (don't remember which now) that gave a %age reviving as "returned" and they were a minor distraction to the enemy (like a decoy) but not otherwise combat-significant, and got left & lost when I moved from one fight to the next.
--- Quote from: MrBad151 on December 16, 2005, 04:04:26 pm ---If the revived don't tank well enough without +'s to revive and summon resist or if you don't think they provide enough of a distraction then we need to think of something else to replace the golem.
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I think they don't tank well enough because of their very slow movement rate (a little above a decoy), their AI that does not stay with the reviving character (a problem for all revived monsters) and their 'speed of evaporation' which causes each new fight to startwith (roughly) 0 'returned' remaining from the previous fight. If they 'revived as ghosts' they'd stay with the reviving character better because of their higher move base and ability to ignore obstructions.
--- Quote from: MrBad151 on December 16, 2005, 04:04:26 pm ---Take into consideration that if Fists from Heaven is put on the set, the holy bolts will actually heal your "returned" making them even tougher.
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I don't see them dying from damage as much as I see them of little value to the fight at hand (B.R's Revived track on the enemy (me) *very* well) and of little value in the next fight because of low speed and stumbling on obstructions.
--- Quote from: MrBad151 on December 16, 2005, 04:04:26 pm ---"+5 fanat would be killer!"
While I agree with you here, I'd rather see +5 holy freeze. Although I can't think of anything to jusify putting either one on the set.
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This notion is to make the 'returned' move faster and hit harder. Concentration might be a better idea since Fanat and H.F. are both available from RuneWords on a merc. Also it's to help the set compete with tempered runeworded rares.
--- Quote from: MrBad151 on December 16, 2005, 04:04:26 pm ---Although I don't have a problem with the number of sockets in this set, the number of sockets in the Tribute to Chaos set needs to be looked at, but we can get to that after we finish with the bloodraven set *wink*.
So far:
Fists of fire- replace with: lvl 30 Fists from Heaven or
lvl 30 Chain Lightning
Now for the Golem issue:
Replace golem with 10% revive slain as "returned"? Slightly higher percent? Something altogether different?
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10% slain return as The Butcher? (just kidding)
I think this would have to be balanced by somebody experienced with the set. That's not me at this time.
MrBad151:
"*me?* I'm limited by not having the set nor a level 85 Zon to try it with. I've had other items or runewords (don't remember which now) that gave a %age reviving as "returned" and they were a minor distraction to the enemy (like a decoy) but not otherwise combat-significant, and got left & lost when I moved from one fight to the next."
This posses a bit of a problem since you and I seem to have a difference of opinion of the usefulness of revived. Its true there are a lot of fights that you start with zero returned to help, but considering the compactness of monsters in Hell lvl it really isn't all that many.
I've found that my merc and Valkyre last long enough to get a few revived going, then I back off and let the revive take most of the hits while my merc and Valkyre do damage. I have made it through large sections of ACT 2 with revived following me the whole time, in other places they tend to get lost more often.
I speak from a considerable amount of experience, both with using revived (having used a bow with the Faith rune word) and now my 94 Bowazon is using the bloodraven set.
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