Chaos Empire D2 + LOD Mod

Computer-Games => German Support => Topic started by: tvynr on May 26, 2005, 07:03:18 pm

Title: Gem Bags
Post by: tvynr on May 26, 2005, 07:03:18 pm: Currently, a gem bag cubed with nothing else results in removing the lowest gem from the bag. Cubing a health potion with a gem bag could result in the highest gem from the bag, the bag itself, and another health potion (allowing the gem to be removed and the transmutation to be repeated). Using the health potion as a control would allow more convenient and powerful use of gem bags. Do you agree with this suggestion or not?
Title: Re: Gem Bags
Post by: SVK_Gauron on May 26, 2005, 07:05:32 pm: no
why u start a pool for the.........question?
Title: Re: Gem Bags
Post by: tvynr on May 26, 2005, 07:59:50 pm: I was not sure how one would go about submitting an RFE... this seemed as good a way as any. Is there a pre-established manner by which one can submit suggestions?
Title: Re: Gem Bags
Post by: Nemesis183 on May 26, 2005, 10:04:35 pm: my english isn't very good... i hardly understood what you are talking about, so can you try to write in a way german user can understand you too pls?

@ topic:

if i get you right, the idea is to add a cube reciept which only takes perfect gems out of the bags?
hmmm, might be usefull but putting in a health potion everytime is more complicated than the way it is atm -.-
Title: Re: Gem Bags
Post by: tvynr on May 27, 2005, 09:01:24 am: Your English is better than my German. :) I think the simplest way to explain this is a diagram:

Now

(https://chaosempire.eu/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.bahj.com%2Fflotsam%2FBag.png&hash=ac67ca3f7579307eb352669d33473b24d674a9f3) --> (https://chaosempire.eu/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.bahj.com%2Fflotsam%2FCube.png&hash=9db3ca0887b7a2a4d1eacaa91b16f340006c9f55) --> (https://chaosempire.eu/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.bahj.com%2Fflotsam%2FBag.png&hash=ac67ca3f7579307eb352669d33473b24d674a9f3) + (https://chaosempire.eu/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.bahj.com%2Fflotsam%2FChippedTopaz.png&hash=99bd05cde400861fc1ac932388041bb4366458fb)

Suggestion

(https://chaosempire.eu/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.bahj.com%2Fflotsam%2FBag.png&hash=ac67ca3f7579307eb352669d33473b24d674a9f3) + (https://chaosempire.eu/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.bahj.com%2Fflotsam%2FMinorHealthPotion.png&hash=083dc4e4b993b4861d70d657cbc3909875c3aa2a) --> (https://chaosempire.eu/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.bahj.com%2Fflotsam%2FCube.png&hash=9db3ca0887b7a2a4d1eacaa91b16f340006c9f55) --> (https://chaosempire.eu/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.bahj.com%2Fflotsam%2FBag.png&hash=ac67ca3f7579307eb352669d33473b24d674a9f3) + (https://chaosempire.eu/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.bahj.com%2Fflotsam%2FPerfectTopaz.png&hash=c3e71755932d0869de95132e9a2da4b004890df8) + (https://chaosempire.eu/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.bahj.com%2Fflotsam%2FMinorHealthPotion.png&hash=083dc4e4b993b4861d70d657cbc3909875c3aa2a)

The health potion ((https://chaosempire.eu/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.bahj.com%2Fflotsam%2FMinorHealthPotion.png&hash=083dc4e4b993b4861d70d657cbc3909875c3aa2a)) comes back after transmute. That way, you can take the topaz ((https://chaosempire.eu/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.bahj.com%2Fflotsam%2FPerfectTopaz.png&hash=c3e71755932d0869de95132e9a2da4b004890df8)) and transmute again.

I would post in German but I don't know any German at all. I hope this diagram is good enough to clear things up.
Title: Re: Gem Bags
Post by: LordFrost on May 27, 2005, 09:01:37 am: @ tvynr:

Basically your idea sounds great, however this very forum has a "Wishes & Ideas Thread" (WÃ¼nsche und Ideen Thread) in which this posting would best go.
Although most contributions are in German, there are also some English suggestions. And Chaos' English should suffice to translate your suggestion.
I'm guessing that's also what Gauron was trying to say.

@Germans:

Er schlÃ¤gt vor, die Gem Bags unter Zuhilfenahme von z.B. HeiltrÃ¤nken anders leeren zu kÃ¶nnen.
Also z.B. Gem Bag + Heiltrank = hÃ¶chster Edelstein aus dem Beutel, statt wie Ã¼blich den niedrigsten.
Alles was er also mÃ¶chte, ist mehr bequemlichkeit beim Edelstein-aus-dem-Beutel-zerren.
Durchaus eine sinnvolle Idee imho. Aber natÃ¼rlich im falschen Thread. Darauf habe ich nochmal hingewiesen.
Title: Re: Gem Bags
Post by: SVK_Gauron on May 27, 2005, 09:03:21 am: later..if u pick up only perfect gems.....you dont need an other receipt,isnt it?

or is this not that ,what u want to tl us?
edit: so langsam wird klar.aber wenn du lange genug spielst...hast du ja nix anderes al perf. gems im stash,oder?

oder sammelt jemand in hell noch alle kruemel auf?
Title: Re: Gem Bags
Post by: tvynr on May 27, 2005, 09:04:27 am: Lord-Frost: Thanks... I didn't realize that's where I should post suggestions. I'll move the post to there. :)

I'm glad that I can play Chaos Empire in English, since I don't know any German. I'd post in German, but I'm terrible at learning other languages.
Title: Re: Gem Bags
Post by: LordFrost on May 27, 2005, 09:07:00 am: Quote from: tvynr on May 27, 2005, 09:04:27 am
Lord-Frost: Thanks... I didn't realize that's where I should post suggestions. I'll move the post to there. :)

I'm glad that I can play Chaos Empire in English, since I don't know any German. I'd post in German, but I'm terrible at learning other languages.

So what?
I get confused when i see more than 3 numbers in a row, and in exchange I have a bit of a knack in languages. ;)
Well either way, if you feel you're missing out on an important message because you can't speak German, do feel free to ask me. I'm usually never too busy to translate a message or two.
Title: Re: Gem Bags
Post by: Shinlos on May 27, 2005, 10:42:44 pm: Pretty interesting idea imho.
But most people wouldn't need it cuz they keep only perf gems.
Title: Re: Gem Bags
Post by: webwalker on May 28, 2005, 02:34:34 pm: I am not "most people", I keep almost all, gem chip and above.

I also (plan to) keep 2 sets of gem bags, and put the perfs all in one set using the other set for building perfs.

I've no idea whether the bag could respond to a right-click by a sub-menu pop-up for what gem to pull out, nor whether they could be like Horadric Cubes where the chip/whatever could just be dropped into the bag directly rather than needing to transmute bag & chip in my (usually stuffed) Cube.

As it is the gem bag is an absolutly wonderful invention, Praise the Inventor!
Title: Re: Gem Bags
Post by: countdracula on May 29, 2005, 12:49:33 am: another idea would be to make the same recipt with a heal potion but with 10 or 15 PGs. So if u want to get 15 PGs out of the Bag it would be easier and faster:

(https://chaosempire.eu/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.bahj.com%2Fflotsam%2FBag.png&hash=ac67ca3f7579307eb352669d33473b24d674a9f3) + (https://chaosempire.eu/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.bahj.com%2Fflotsam%2FMinorHealthPotion.png&hash=083dc4e4b993b4861d70d657cbc3909875c3aa2a) ---> (https://chaosempire.eu/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.bahj.com%2Fflotsam%2FCube.png&hash=9db3ca0887b7a2a4d1eacaa91b16f340006c9f55) ---> (https://chaosempire.eu/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.bahj.com%2Fflotsam%2FBag.png&hash=ac67ca3f7579307eb352669d33473b24d674a9f3) + 10(15)x(https://chaosempire.eu/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.bahj.com%2Fflotsam%2FPerfectTopaz.png&hash=c3e71755932d0869de95132e9a2da4b004890df8)

it is not really necessary - but it would be nice - especially when trying to cube some unique or trading the PGs

Auf Deutsch:
wÃ¤r doch praktisch wenn man auf einmal viele PGs aus dem Beutel kriegt - also z.b. 10 oder 15 gleich. Gerade wenn man uniques cuben oder mit den Steinen handeln will ists halt viel weniger arbeit.
Title: Re: Gem Bags
Post by: Olfmo on May 29, 2005, 02:45:21 pm: well first of all the gem-bags are based on a plugin chaos didn't actually create...

so i think he is not able to change anything there

i also agree with shinlos most people only keep the perfect ones

the idea of countdracula is not bad though because you need 15 gems most times for any recipes to create uniques :)
Title: Re: Gem Bags
Post by: ChaosEmpire on May 29, 2005, 06:24:38 pm: hi olfmo
i need to correct you :P
they are completly done by me..

the graphics is from a plugin, but resized.
the formulars behind are completly redoine..

and those are the easier stuff of the dolls tash recipes
Title: Re: Gem Bags
Post by: countdracula on May 29, 2005, 08:12:13 pm: so would my idea be possible?

or possible but too much work for a little comfort feature?
Title: Re: Gem Bags
Post by: ChaosEmpire on May 29, 2005, 08:33:23 pm: possible, but a too stuid work, for this little effort :P
many cube recipes for gettign this reyult(and much more stupid retesting)

thats the reason why i only allow max 2 of the little ones..before aotu high cubing...
Title: Re: Gem Bags
Post by: tvynr on June 02, 2005, 09:11:34 am: I was just coming to the forum to suggest the same thing:

Bag + Health = Bag + Health + Perf from Bag
Bag + Mana = Bag + Mana + 15 Perf from Bag
Bag + Rejuv = Bag + Rejuv + 25 Perf from Bag (for making ghost dolls from Skulls)

It would also be nice if you could do something like

Bag + Health + (x Perfs) = Bag + Health + (x Perfs + 1 from bag)

so you don't have to take gems out of the cube one at a time and them put them all back in later.
Title: Re: Gem Bags
Post by: countdracula on June 02, 2005, 02:06:10 pm: Quote from: ChaosEnergy on May 29, 2005, 08:33:23 pm
possible, but a too stuid work, for this little effort :P
many cube recipes for gettign this reyult(and much more stupid retesting)

thats the reason why i only allow max 2 of the little ones..before aotu high cubing...

maybe this 3 little recipes would lead to 100 or more lines in the code - so chaos does not want to implement this
Title: Re: Gem Bags
Post by: Schnarchnase on June 06, 2005, 04:13:51 pm: another problem is, you can only give out 3 Items.... So 15 Perf is impossible...
Title: Re: Gem Bags
Post by: godemperor on June 10, 2005, 09:39:15 pm: Just for the record I like Countdracula idea. Gem bags are awesome but to remove 15 or 25 one at a time is somewhat tedious.
Title: Re: Gem Bags
Post by: countdracula on June 11, 2005, 09:55:09 pm: Quote from: Schnarchnase on June 06, 2005, 04:13:51 pm
another problem is, you can only give out 3 Items.... So 15 Perf is impossible...

If u unsocket items u can get more than 3 items in cube