Topic: [Guide] Bow Amazon (7.59) english

[countdracula]

Note that you find the updatet version of the guide here:

WIki (version 7.60d)


This version is for 7.59, but you still might find a lot of useful things here.



1. Stats

Str: reqs, every point set in str is a point less in dex or vita ergo less damage/life. Maybe you get enough points with the equip. Otherwise I would suggest a few points at the beginning, maybe 60 to be able to use plated belts (4 rows).
Dex/Vita: every point in dex means more damage. But especially in hc I think stating life is the better way. According to nemesis Dex:Vita should be about 5:3 in sc and maybe 3:5 in hc.
Ene: A bowie should leech enough mana. So nothing/very few points here.


2. Skills

passive skills:

Inner Sight: 1 point

Critical Strike: 30 points. The Skill reaches its maximum at slvl 84 with 82%. I think u should get a high enough chance with +skills. As bowie u have enough skillpoints. But wait until later to max the skill

Dodge: 0/1 point *

Slow Missiles: 1 point. useful, but 1 point is enough, a higher lvl only increases the length.

Avoid: 0/1 point *

Penetrate: 30 points. Higher chance to hit means more average damage. We should have enough points, and 95% chance to hit should be possible

Decoy: 1 point. With +skills the decoy should live long enough.

Evade: 0/1 point *


valkyrie: 0/1 point *

Pierce: 1-x points. To get 100% pierce u can use items.



*Some people do not like the evade skills, because the amazon performs a x frames evade animation and u can not do anything in this time. it might be better to get hit and have the chance to run away with enough fhr. If u do not skill the evade skills u can not skill valkyrie - if u need it.


bow skills

Magic Arrow: 30 points. Effective against physical/eledam immunes.

Fire Arrow: 0 points. I use the cold tree, because immolation arrow causes too much lag.

Cold Arrow: 30 points. Synergy to Ice and Freezing arrow

Multiple Shot: 1 point. We should get slvl 23 (24 arrows) with +skills. A higher slvl means only more mana needed per attack but not more arrows.

Exploding Arrow: 0 points. analog to fire arrow

Ice Arrow: 1 point. More points only increase the cold length of the Freezing Arrow. Maybe set some points here if u have the points left.

Guided Arrow: 1-x points. For Bosskilling. Maybe max later( very late if nothing else is left :-) )

Strafe: 1 point. Ok - maybe good for scouting. You see whether there are monsters around. I do not recommend using this skill for killing.

Immolation arrow: 0 points

Freezing Arrow: 30 points. higher slvl = more damage.



3. Equip


I need help here. But ok something i already know.


Rings + Amu: Diva Set

Armor: Tempered eth Dusk Shroud or Wire Fleece with nice @s. Maybe ressis, fhr, life. I would say some def can't be wrong. Rw Fortitude or coh in it. Fortitude means more damage, but coh has more ressis. Alternative is the new rw humility. A lot of life and def with the shouts + cbf

Bow: Physical tempered Geand Matronl Bow with rw Faith in it. The bow should have ed, ias and +ama/+bow skills on it. I think the ed on the equip or the aura is counted after the maxdam on the bow. So physical tempered should mean more damage - but you can help me there maybe.

Lowlvl: The Starter bow is quite bad (maybe if you socket it with some maxdam jewels or Pgs its ok). With lvl 24 you can were ragnarok sliver, or the runeword sting in a tempered rare bow. Anyway a tempered bow is the best thing for lowlvl

Belt: Tempered Belt (type does not really matter, take something with not too much str req and 4 rows) with rw blood in it. The Belt should have some ressis/fhr/life on it.
        Bul Kathos Belt (2 skills, leech, ressi)
        razortail (33% pierce) - razor is the only item where pierce does add, so 100% pierce easy possible with razor.

Helm: Circlet with +2 ama skills, ressis, leech etc. with rw blood in it.

Gloves: Tempered gloves for ias, travi gloves for leech, uber gloves for pierce (if u have them). Psycho gloves for more damage. By the way the whole psyhos set is quite good for lowlvl

Boots: Travi Boots, especially in combination with gloves effective.

Arrows:
 Rare Arrows with ed/ar other nice stats.
The new golden arrows (barbed arrows/piercing arrows/arrows of slaying are not too bad, and it is not very difficult to find them. But I was told, that the chance to pierce does not add, so the pierce of the arrows is not that effective.


Inventory:

ar/maxdam charms
bow skillers with good @s. like life/ressis usw.
Ogre King's Bowl: unique sc with dualleech.
ressi charms.



4. Mercenary

Might Mercenary for more (physical) damage should do the best. Maybe fana merc if u use something else than faith


Equip suggestion:
Gloves: travi
Boots: Travi/River Stalker
Rings/Amu: Diva
Weapon: Pride
Armor: Coh
Helm: Prowess in Battle/Bartucs Helm
Belt: Bul Kathos Belt/Blood.


Quite Short by now, but it should help players who want to start a bowazon. I'm looking forward to constructive criticism.

[webwalker]

In my limited experience running a Bowazon, I found Rare arrows to be better than Unique.
This is because the Rare arrows I have found included "hit causes monster to flee 100%", leach, and enhanced damage.

I would recommend 1 point in Strafe.  With plusses to skills this adds up to quite a bit, and strafe has one important use: it is a scout skill.  When you don't know whether there are monsters about, strafe; if you fire just one arrow you know you're alone, but if you fire a volley you have company and you know the directions to that company.  Then you know where to direct multi-shot vollies until you stop leaching (blue & red swirls stop).  One more strafe to verify you're alone, and continue.

I agree on the advice: only 1 point in Ice Arrow.  Each cold charm increases the chill/freeze time 1 second, and we have room for many small cold damage charms.  Even including the freeze-length-reduction in Nightmare and Hell, the bad guys stop moving for a good while.  Also I discovered that the chill time of sapphires adds to the freeze time of Freezing Arrow... try a bow with 6 Perfect Sapphires and freezing arrow, and open an Ice Sculpture Museum.  Frozen monsters are immune to knockback by the way.

In addition to the armor recommendations, I'd suggest considering Humility armor for the BO and resists.

1 hard point in Critical Strike suffices me: the plusses we have by character level 50 bring the CS chance over 50%, and one more point makes a small increase.  Also, Crushing Blow seems like a good substitute for CS/DS and suggests we build elemental-damage bows rather than physical damage bows, but I'm the one asking advice here...

I have never figured out whether I'm getting equipment with Pierce on it before building the character, so Pierce points are a Big Mystery... any answer is probably wrong...

All together, this advice (Thanks Count Dracula!) leaves enough points to make a viable hybrid bow/jav zon.

[Nemesis183]

verbesserungsvorschläge kann ich ja auch deutsch posten, nä?

Ist ja schonmal n ganz netter guide, der sicherlich noch ein bisschen erweitert werden kann



Ich quote einfach mal:

1. Stats

Str: reqs, every point set in str is a point less in dex or vita ergo less damage/life. Since we get a lot stat points in ce about 100 points should be ok. Man brauch keine punkte in str, da man auf dem equipment mehr als genug zusammen bekommt!
Dex: every point in dex means more damage. But especially in hc I think stating life is the better way. Maybe about 300 points - a few more in softcore maybe for more damage.
Vita: The Rest --->Vit und dex sind beide wichtig! in SC würde ich etwa 5:3 skillen, in HC genau andersrum! 300 dex sind definitiv zu wenig!
Ene: About 70 points should be enough. with bo it is enough mana, and we leech what we spend. wieso? manamangel bei ner bowie? nicht wirklich... keine punkte in ene!


2. Skills

passive skills:

Inner Sight: 1 point

Critical Strike: 1-x points. The Skill reaches its maximum at slvl 84 with 82%. I think u should get a high enough chance with +skills. Maybe invest left points later here Ist ok, trotzdem würde ich bei diesem skill jeden prozentpunkt mitnehmen! also am ende gerne maxen!

Dodge: 0/1 point *

Slow Missiles: 1 point. useful, but 1 point is enough, a higher lvl only increases the length.

Avoid: 0/1 point *

Penetrate: 1-x points. Higher chance to hit means more average damage. We should have enough points, and 95% chance to hit could be possible in hell MAXEN! CtH ist sehr wichtig, unter 95% ist schon fast nicht annehmbar als bowie

Decoy: 1 point. With +skills the decoy should live long enough.

Evade: 0/1 point *

valkyrie: 0/1 point *

Pierce: 1-x points. To get 100% pierce u can use items.



*Some people do not like the evade skills, because the amazon performs a x frames evade animation and u can not do anything in this time. it might be better to get hit and have the chance to run away with enough fhr. If u do not skill the evade skills u can not skill valkyrie - if u need it. Richtig! ich rate von d/a/e ab, wally bekommt man auch über stash oder diva amu!


bow skills

Magic Arrow: 30 points. Effective against physical/eledam immunes.

Fire Arrow: 0 points. I use the cold tree, because immolation arrow causes too much lag.

Cold Arrow: 30 points. Synergy to Ice and Freezing arrow

Multiple Shot: 1 point. We should get slvl 23 (24 arrows) with +skills. A higher slvl means only more mana needed per attack but not more arrows.

Exploding Arrow: 0 points. analog to fire arrow

Ice Arrow: 1 point. More points only increase the cold length of the Freezing Arrow. Maybe set some points here if u have the points left.

Guided Arrow: 1-x points. For Bosskilling

Strafe: 0 points. Good for style, but because of next hit delay, and because u can not move while shooting I recommend multiple shot.

Immolation arrow: 0 points

Freezing Arrow: 30 points. higher slvl = more damage.


Ok now there are a lot of points left. I would recommend setting them in penetrate and guiding arrow first, and later in critical strike maybe.

Soweit alles in ordnung! Penetrade schon vorher maxen, danach dann CS, am ende evtl GA (braucht man eher selten)


3. Equip


I need help here. But ok something i already know.


Rings + Amu: Diva Set

Armor: Tempered eth Dusk Shroud or Wire Fleece with 100+ ed. Rw Fortitude or coh in it. Fortitude means more damage, but coh has more ressis. Ed ist wayne, keine Ama bekommt sinnvoll genug def zusammen, lohnt sich einfach nicht.

Bow: Physical tempered Matriarchal Bow with rw Faith in it. The bow should have ed, ias and +ama/+bow skills on it. Kein Matri! GMb ist um welten besser, gerade mit faith!

Belt: Tempered Belt (type does not really matter, take something with not too much str req and 4 rows) with rw blood in it. The Belt should have some ressis/fhr/life on it.
 Bul Kathos Belt (2 skills, leech, ressi)

Helm: Circlet with +2 ama skills, ressis, leech etc. with rw blood in it.

Gloves: Tempered gloves for ias, travi gloves for leech, uber gloves for pierce (if u have them)

Boots: Travi Boots, especially in combination with gloves effective.

Arrows:
1. Rare Arrows with ed/ar other nice stats.
2. The new golden arrows. There are 3 levels of arrows. Barbed arrows for lowlvl. Arrows of Piercing for midlvl. Arrows ?? (dunno the name, but i know they are there).
 The Arrows of Piercing, and the higher arrows both have a piercing attack. I suppose it is at least 10%. Then u should get 100% pierce without razortail or ubergloves. Das ist falsch! nur bei razor wird (dank bug) das pierce addiert. Bei allen anderen items wirkt das pierce alternativ und nicht additiv. Außerdem finde ich rare deutlich besser als die uniques
 Furthermore the new unique arrows increase damage, have some ias and the elite version has 1 to bow skills.

Inventory:

bow skillers with good @s. like life/ressis usw.
Ogre King's Bowl: unique sc with dualleech.
ressi charms.
Bowskiller nur, wenn sie wirklich gute stats haben (also rares mit life/maxdmg/resis/etc), ansonsten lieber (rare) Maxdmg charms! die bringen ganz schön viel



4. Mercenary

Might Mercenary for more (physical) damage.
a5 defiance merc for more def.
a5 conviction merc for more colddamage and better chance to hit.

I would recommend conviction merc. Nahhh... Ne Bowie ist vor allem ein physischer Char, FA meistens nur zum immunitäten piercen bis der phyische schaden wirkt! Also bitte might merc und dem dann Pride geben!
Defiance merc ist absolut nutzlos, der bringt ner ama wirklich nichts

Equip:
Gloves/Boots: Travi
Rings/Amu: Diva
Weapon: Pride/Last Wish
Armor: Coh
Helm: Prowess in Battle/Bartucs Helm
Belt: Bul Kathos Belt/Blood.

Gibt sehr viele möglichkeiten den sölli auszurüsten. Als Waffe sollte pride rein um die ~280%ed mitzunehmen! Den rest dann halt um den sölder überlebensfähig zu machen und viele +skill um die macht aura zu stärken


Quite Short by now, but it should help players who want to start a bowazon. I'm looking forward to constructive criticism.

Sooo, kannst das ja mal überarbeiten und meine vorschläge bedenken

Netter Guide soweit!




Neme

[Tophead]

nice 1 u can add the psychos - set (esspecially the gloves) for items, this set is very good for physdam chars

[countdracula]

thanks for the suggestions. I try to use them.

[Shinlos]

Die Evade animation ist 8 Frames lang.

Als Bow Alternative könntest du Broken Promise mit reinnehmen.

Die letzten Unique Pfeile heißen Arrows of Slaying

@Neme: Hast du ne Quelle für die Sache mit dem Razor?
Mir ist nämlich bei meiner Java nicht aufgefallen, dass sie kein Maxpierce hat.

[Nemesis183]

jo, so liest er sich schon echt gut

Zu dem thema Razor-pierce: In Lod war es halt so, dass es nur bei Razor addiert wurde und bei anderen items alternativ wirkte.
Ich geh mal davon aus, dass es hier genauso ist.
Pierce über items ist natürlich nie verkehrt und recht einfach und sinnvoll zu bekommen, daher ist 1 pkt in pierce mit den ganzen +skill doch meist ausreichend


Eventuell könnte man noch die item sektion ein bisschen ausführlicher gestalten, mit lowcost und highend euqipment, bzw einem groben leitfaden, was die ama braucht



Knut




edit: auch die animationen von dodge und avoid dauern 8 frames
und zur quelle: Ich bin halt schon seit 4 jahren im india forum und dort speziell im ama-camp... laufen dort genug gurus rum, die Amazonen und alles drumherum schon  durchgetestet haben
Das mit razor war ne recht lange diskussion und wurde nachher aber von unabhängigen quellen bestätigt. zum beispiel bei Koku wurde das pierce nicht addiert

[Shinlos]

Ich häng da auch schon oft genug rum aber das hab ich trotzdem noch nie gehört. Komischerweise. Sicher, dass das nicht nur früher so war?
Wieso wird sonst gesagt, dass man mit Buri nur einen Punkt Pierce braucht.

[Nemesis183]

*gg* weil buri 100% pierce hat und da egal ist, obs alternativ oder additiv ist :p der eine punkt ist, weil man ja im zweiten slot meistens nen javelin trägt

koku hat 50, razor 33%... bei razor reichen 9 punkte in pierce um 100% zu bekommen, mit koku geht das nicht.



kannst ja mal in nem javathread fragen, warum razor besser sein soll als tgv, dafür wirste fast geköpft



Knut

[Jaws]

frage betr pierce: woher will das ama camp wissen wie es mit den items von CE steht ?

[Tophead]

hat er nioe gesagt, nur dass es so bei lod ist und das er vermutt das es in ce ncith geändert worden ist, warum auch?

[Nemesis183]

das ama camp hat recht wenig mit CE zu tun, bis auf das einige der (ex-)stammuser dort jetzt CE spielen... hab das auch nie behauptet.


Normal ist es halt so, dass es IMMER alternativ berechnet wird (genauso wie CS und DS btw). Irgend einem schlauen menschen ist dann aufgefallen, dass seine kleine java bei lvl 35 (pierce durch +skill gerade auf 9) und razor wirklich immer gepierct hat, obwohl es eigentlich "nur" knapp 80% hätten sein dürfen!
Ein paar noch schlauere Leute haben das dann verifiziert und festgestellt, dass es weder bei anderen pierce-items noch bei selbst hergestellten gemoddeten items im SP der fall ist.

Bei CE-Items sollte es also genauso sein, dass das pierce normal funktioniert... woran genau es bei razor liegt wurde aber afair nicht herausgefunden...



LG,

Knut

[Fenris]

um sicher zu gehen das ich das jetzt verstehe

bei razor wird pierce von durhcshclagen und pierce von razor zusammengerechnet

bei anderen items entweder pierce durhc durhcschlagen oder durhc item genutz

so hoffentlcih hab ich's wirklcih geschnickt^^

[Phoenix]

bei anderen items entweder pierce durhc durhcschlagen oder durhc item genutz

Fast richtig. Es wirkt wie bei CS und DS auch alternativ. Das bedeutet die Abfragen kommen nacheinander.
Beispiel: 66% Pierce vom Skill und 50% Pierce über Equip
Chance auf Durchschlagen = 66% + (100% - 66%)/100% * 50% = 66% + 16,5% = 82,5%
Wenn man die beiden Werte vertauscht kommt das gleiche raus.

Zum Guide:
War das Cap von Multi nicht bei 34 Pfeilen? Müsste also Skilllevel 33 statt 23 sein.

MfG Phoenix

[Nemesis183]

jo, genauso ist es, nur dass der skill durchbohren heißt durchschlagen ist der Ar-Skill (Penetrade).
Es wird zuerst der skill getestet und nur wenn der nicht greift, wird logischerweise das pierce auf items getestet.

Kleines Rechenbeispiel:

Pierce lvl 9 = 68%

Mit Razor (33%): Wird addiert, also 0,68+0,33 = 1,01. Pierct zu 100%!

Mit einem anderen item mit 33%: Wirkt alternativ, also 0,68+(1-0,68)*0.33 = 0.79. Chance zu piercen ist nur 79%.

[countdracula]

sehr komisch das mit dem razor. Dann bleiben wohl nur übergloves wenn man keinen razor tragen will.

[Nemesis183]

...welche auf ner Bowie ja auch nicht die schlechteste möglichkeit darstellen

Imo neben den Boots die wichtigsten Übers für ne Bowie, die man sich schon anschaffen sollte

[webwalker]

What is the title of this thread, please? It says English for a reason... I asked please would somebody do their best to translate the bowazon guide into English. I believe this thread has a purpose of extending the guide for amazons to ENGLISH SPEAKERS.

I promise you your English is not 1/2 as bad as my German!  I try to understand what is said, and I'm thankful to those who reach out to us linguistically impared posters and community members.  When the thread has English in the title, please do your best to not shut us out.

[DrowElf]

It is a discussion what items add chances to pierce and on which way these bonus will work.

It is known that with the razortail belt (33%) you get a chance of 100% to pierce at skilllevel 9 (68%).
68% (skill) + 33% (item) = 101% pierce

But other items like the named arrows with we think ~10% pierce its different:
68% (skill) + (100%-68%) * 10% (item) = 71,2 % pierce

This is a old bug known from vanilla lod and we think that it isn´t any other way in chaos empire.

Depending on that matter the only known alternative to get 100% pierce to the razorbelt are the uber unique gloves.

[countdracula]

I thought the piercing arrows were an alternative to the razor. but if they do not add to the chance it is probably better to get good rare arrows with a lot of ed and hit causes monster to flee, ar and so on.

[Nemesis183]

well, the guide is wrote in proper english and this is mentioned in the titel...

My english isn't very good so far and i'm not really able to write all suggestions and discussions in english. Please don't worry about it, and if there is anything else you don't understand you can write me a PM an i'll try to explain it to you



Neme

[webwalker]

Your English is JUST FINE!  Believe me!

I have 8 children, 3 are "adults", and you write English at least as well as they do!

Remember the "which monster is MOST HATED" thread, where I translated the title to German and added it?  Somebody posted a correction and I amended the post.  I would have had no objection to people posting in German (in an English thread) if they included their best attempt at English along side their German posting. I hope to learn German, I hope to help people improve their English.  This 'helping one another'  is one of the tell-tales that distinguishes a "gaggle of gamers" from a ->community<-.  What makes the German here hardest to parse is the 'chat speak' of writing 'nen' instead of 'einen' ('typing reduced 40%' instead of 'damage reduced'... ^^ )

(btw 'english' is spin on a ball, English is a language;  'english' get used making trick shots in pool/snooker/billiards, and in bowling. It is the 'noun' vs. 'proper noun' capitalization rule.  Considering that all nouns are capitalized in German, whereas only proper nouns are capitalized in English, I'm actually surprised at the extensive use of lower case for nouns, proper or im-, in this forum).

As to pierce, 68% (skill) is not bad, especially if the arrows have 'monster flee', since new monsters will be in front for the next volley.
Unless you have a special effect like Lightning Fury, I'd value 'monster flee' above 'pierce'.  One hard point in pierce + +skill items should suffice.  If I recall correctly, each time a pierce happens, the chance of a succesive pierce drops (120% goes to 90% goes to 60% goes to 30% goes to 0%.. I don't know the real numbers and picked a 30% drop to illustrate the meaning of my words.)

[countdracula]

the extensive use of lower case for nouns is mainly a cause of the forum users' lazyness. (The short forms too). It is bad language, but faster to write.

As you say 100% pierce is not really necessary.

If the skill is unchanged in ce, you should have 86 % pierce with a slvl of only 20. That can easily be reached with +skills.
With slvl 30 the chance is 92%
With slvl 60 you reach 100% skill pierce.

thanks to my computer english dictionary

[Nemesis183]

>>>>Your English is JUST FINE!  Believe me!
I have 8 children, 3 are "adults", and you write English at least as well as they do!


Thanks a lot! unfortunately my english teacher has never noted this



but back to topic:

What you mean with "the chance to pierce drops with every succesive pierce"?

If you have 95% pierce the chance to pierce is in a row of 5 monsters: 95% (1st), 90% (2nd), 86% (3rd), 81% (4th), 77% (5th). With 100% at every check there won't be any drop
One can easily see, that in 1 of 5 the pierce-check at the 4th will be negativ and the dmgoutput is reduce by 20% this throw...
Just a few percent lower than 100 are a enormous loss of dmg.

That high dmg of Lightning Fury only depends on a high chance to pierce. A Java need to have 100% pierce in my opinion.

[countdracula]

but a bo ama with multi shot does not need 100% pierce. If The Arrow pierces 3 times, it should be enough in most cases. Because if there is no enemy to hit, the pierce does not matter.

[Nemesis183]

this is called "milchmädchen-Rechnung" :p

of course the dmg loss on a bowie isn't so significant as on a Java but in fact there is a loss!
of course there can be two, three, four or five monsters in a line and you will miss some hits without max-pierce!
and of course it's not very hard to get 100% pierce so what is this discussion for?
100% are better than 95%, there is no basis to argue against it

[countdracula]

this is called "milchmädchen-Rechnung" :p

of course the dmg loss on a bowie isn't so significant as on a Java but in fact there is a loss!
of course there can be two, three, four or five monsters in a line and you will miss some hits without max-pierce!
and of course it's not very hard to get 100% pierce so what is this discussion for?
100% are better than 95%, there is no basis to argue against it

it is hard to get 100% pierce. The easiest way is using razor, but there are better belts.
Other ways are lvl 60 skill pierce or ubergloves.
30 +skills should be possible, but it means  setting 30 skills in pierce which could be used somewhere else.
ubergloves are difficult to get.

[Nemesis183]

Well, uber Gloves & Boots are standard equip for bowie in my opinion... After playing a few weaks it's possible to trade or maybe find them... as long as you don't have them one can do without 100% pierce but in the end i really prefer it.

and what is wrong with skilling pierce? when one dont want to wear uber gloves, you have enough skillpoints so it's no problem

[webwalker]

What you mean with "the chance to pierce drops with every succesive pierce"?

If you have 95% pierce the chance to pierce is in a row of 5 monsters: 95% (1st), 90% (2nd), 86% (3rd), 81% (4th), 77% (5th). With 100% at every check there won't be any drop

Then my "knowledge" was bogus!  Thanks for the clarification.  Folks on alt.games.diablo2 had spoken of a drop each pierce, I didn't know they meant this simple progression.

And you English teacher was wrong.

But I doubt I'll be able to trade for UberAnything since I don't start playing until 7PM my time which is  1AM your time and most of you are sensible enough to be in bed.

@ CountDracula: "thanks to my computer english dictionary" do you know a computer-based German dictionary that is reasonable quality and downloadable?  Toss me a URL maybe?  ( I might search and find but I couldn't judge quality).

[countdracula]

I use the langenscheidt dictionary. But this is not for free. Maybe you could download it somewhere, but this would be illegal

[Keksgott]

why you dont use only the cold arrow? hes like the magic arrow.

(auf deutsch weil mein english sowieso totaler mist is: Warum Benutzt du nicht den Eispfeil weil de ja wie der Zauberpfeil Pshysischen schaden umwandelt und weniger mana verbraucht, lohnt der nich eher?)

Ps: auf deutsch steht mehr weil ich das auf englisch nur sehr schwer ausdrücken kann kann einer die worte "Umwandelsn" und "verbracuht weniger mana" einbauen (vllt in nen zitat damit auch die lieben englischsprechenden leute verstehen was ich sage :-))

[webwalker]

why you dont use only the cold arrow? hes like the magic arrow.

First a Freezing Arrow to stop enemies because it is like Glacial Spike.
Then strafe for damage and mana steal.

(auf deutsch weil mein english sowieso totaler mist is: Warum Benutzt du nicht den Eispfeil weil de ja wie der Zauberpfeil Pshysischen schaden umwandelt und weniger mana verbraucht, lohnt der nich eher?)

I can translate easier if words are spelled carefully...
Pshysischen -> Physischen
nich -> nicht

You English is vastly better than running German (even perfect German) through "translators" like Alta Vista Bable Fish (my current technological bleeding edge tool).  Try English, and I'll gladly help!  This language of mine is a mixed-up mongrel!  (A Norman Knight had a date with a Saxon bar-maid... 9 months later, English!)

Ps: auf deutsch steht mehr weil ich das auf englisch nur sehr schwer ausdrücken kann kann einer die worte "Umwandelsn" und "verbracuht weniger mana" einbauen (vllt in nen zitat damit auch die lieben englischsprechenden leute verstehen was ich sage :-))

Umwandelsn -> no translation available
verbracuht -> verbraucht
vllt -> no translation available
nen -> einen

It is bad manners to pick on people for spelling mistakes, usually.  If chat-speak or short-hand spellings are used, I simply cannot translate unless I guess what the long-hand spelling is, make the change, and try the translator again.  ,2 seconds saved on your side is 10 seconds more spent on my side.

Cold Arrow as a killing skill... I've never tried it.  Freezing Arrow is vastly more powerful, and strafe/multishot must be used on mobs.  The conversion of Physical to Magical damage done by Cold Arrow doesn't appeal to me... if the monster is CI and PI, switch to Javelins and LF!  (If it is CI/PI/LI, I can out-run it unless it is The Butcher!)

[Keksgott]

Wrong does to me because of that few spelling mistakes however babel fish translated a little sometimes amusingly, I try to improve and write the words out

(Auf Deutsch: Ja tut mir leid wegen den paar rechtschreibfehlern aber babel fish übersetzt manchmal ein wenig komisch, Ich versuche mich zu bessern und die Wörter auszuschreiben)

I do not have a problem of English to read to separate me in English to express

(Auf Deutsch: Ich habe kein Problem Englisch zu lesen sondern mich in Englisch auszudrücken)

That was Translated everything by Babel Fish

(Auf Deutsch: Das ist alles per Babel Fish überzetzt worden)

Is this better?

(Auf Deutsch: Ist das besser?)

Ps: Thanks for the fast and helpful answer

[countdracula]

If u make a bow only ama, the magic arrow is the better choice. I think magic arrow needs less skills, and the LF won't deal very much damage without synergies.

Furthermore you can use cta if u do not use javelins in the second slot

[Keksgott]

No I did not mean, I meant that the Cold arrow of the physical ones harm in Elementari harm convert (how the Magic Arrow) would be better because he not on the synergy am dependent and thus only to be increased do not have (is called which he ONLY against those magically and physically immune boss the monster/champion is, the frost arrow is naturally to does not pierce the immunities of the normal monsters always still there must however not max. be)


(Auf Deutsch: Nein das meinte ich nicht, ich meinte das der Kältepfeil der Physischen schaden in Elementarischen schaden umwandelt (wie der  Zauberpfeil) nicht besser wäre weil er nicht auf die synergie angewiesen ist und somit nur selbst gesteigert werden muss. (das heißt das er NUR gegen die magisch und physisch immunen boss monster / champions is, der frostpfeil ist natürlich zum durchschlagen der immunitäten der normalen monster immernoch da muss aber nicht max. sein)

Edit: wie soll ich das den sonst hinbekommen? ^^ muste einiges beim deutschen umschreiben weil mir babelfish das nicht übersetzt hat sonst sähe das anders aus aber ich kann mich überhaupt nich in englisch ausdrücken :-(

[Olfmo]

please do not use the babelfish translations it's just cruel

i'm gonna translate you text in a better english (although i have really trouble understanding you german text because the grammar is just strange )

i didn't mean that, i meant the cold arrow converts the physical into elemental damage (like magic arrow) but it is better because he doesn't need synergies (it is only for magic/physically immune boss monsters/champions, freezing arrow is of course for piercing the immunities of the normal monsters but doesn't have to be maxed)

btw i'm not sure about the names of the arrows perhaps i mixed something up there^^

[Darkshield]

 hello@all
i am currently running a BowZone ( ok in reality it is a hybrid bow/java ) and i wanted to add a few things i noticed during play. I am using freezing arrow to stop a mob or kill phys imunes and either strafe or lightning fury to kill off mobs . well works great so far . but in one point u are right , 100% pierce is important ( either for bow or java ) cause with pierce and freezing arrow u can stop a whole mob ( a mob that is not cold imune anyway ) so i put 21 points in pierce skill to get 100% pierce ( with skill boni from items ) . i put only 1 point in magic arrow , guided arrow , multishot and 10 or 12 in strafe ; none in the fire tree ; freezing arrow max , few ( 5 or 6 so far ) in ice arrow and some ( 12 i think) in cold arrow . in Java i have 1 point jab and one point in prerequisite skills for lightning fury and LF maxed out .
for equipment at the mom i use diva set , Bloodraven set belt, gloves, boots ( the 6 part set ), a COH wirefleece armor, a +2 skill ( and some add ons ) rare tiara with Blood runeword and a grand matron bow with faith runeword.
for java equipment i have the Jupiters Rage set ( the spear socketed with 3 Ber runes for crushing blow and the shield with 3 empty sockets so far ).
i think the magic arrow could be a nice add on but since cold arrow is a synergy skill for freezing arrow and since coldarrow is also converting phys damage to elemt./magic damage (analog for the fire tree) u don't really "need" the magic arrow skill. and i don't know if pierce is really working with the magic arrow, it seemed to me that magic arrow is making one hit and finish ( but i may be wrong ) .

@countdracula : a good Guide for starters , it would be an idea to put an equipmentlist for low/mid/high level chars in it

for a start :as low level equip i would suggest tempered rare rings and tempered rare amu with skill, resi and  LL ( maybe life/mana ) (tempering rings and amus makes them wearable at level 1 ); gloves,belt,boots could be tempered rares ( or the starting set belt from the ama, boots from the pala set , gloves from the assa set ) , from level 25 on u could use the Psychos Revenge set ; headgear no real "thats it" suggestion here from me ( i used what i had on hand ), the same for armor, as weapon i started with some basic javellins then the starting set bow , with level 24 i used either Ragnarok Sliver or a tempered rare with the runeword Sting.

ok CU Dark

[countdracula]

I don't really think it is necessary to take extra items for the lowlvls. Just take what you find should be enough (maybe some bartucs items or so).

The only thing that does matter is the bow. lvl 16-24 is pretty hard with the starter bow. Maybe somebody has some tips here - especially if you do not have a tempered rare bow.

According the magic arrow: You use java skills, so you should have no problem with immunes. If you play a bow only ama, you have the magic arrow for physical + cold immunes.

[Shinlos]

U need M-Arrow  for having a third element against Dual immunes. U could also kill them with fire, but most monsters have lower Resis (not Immunities) against Magic.
Mana isn't a Problem u easily leech enough to be full when hitting one other Enemy.

[Darkshield]

@ countdracula
the uni huntersbow "carrionwind" could be a good alternative from lev 10 (imho) to level 24 , it comes with 1 or 2 sockets , acceptable damage and leech.

cu dark

@countdracula and shinlos
ok thats a good point , btw i think i found why i havn't skilled it ... somehow i missed that i cubed magicarrow on the teddy
so mea culpa ... i will try playing the ama with only the bowskills for a while to test if having the javaskills makes such a great difference.

cu Dark

[countdracula]

if you use only bow skills you can use cta in the second slot. That's the most obvious advantage I think.
Maybe I'll add this bow later.

[ExElNeT]

anzumerken ist noch das
100 dex nichtmal 4% dmg geben
100 vit geben 400 life mit guten bo fast 1000

also als beispiel 1000 statspunkte 30k grunddmg.

variante 1:
300 vit 700 dex
dmg: 38,4k
life: 1200 aus vit (2400 mit bo)

variante 2:
950 vit 50 dex
dmg: 30k
life: 3800 (7600 mit bo)

das sind entweder 28% erhöhter schaden oder 220% mehr leben ...
und elementarer schaden hat nix mit dex zu tun also werden es sogar noch weit weniger als 4%.
außerdem sollte man bedenken das der meiste schaden durch vernichtenden schlag kommt.

vorallem fuer die die viel alleine machen und hoch hinaus wollen, wuerde ich auch in sc die variante 2 empfehlen, es spielt sich einfach besser und eins ist sicher die 28% dmg merkt man garnicht die 220% life allemal.

mfg
ExElNeT
€dit by Drow-Elf:
This is a Guide in English, please write in English

Translation:
ExElNeT wants to say
100 dex gives nearly 4% dmg
100 vit gives 400 life with good BattleOrder (BO) nearly 1000 life

Example with 1000 statpoints and 30k grouddmg

variant 1:
300 vit 700 dex
dmg: 38,4k
life: 1200 from vit (2400 with BO)

variant 2:
950 vit 50 dex
dmg: 30k
life: 3800 from vit (7600 with BO)

You can choose between 28% enhanced damage or 220% more life ...
and caused that elementar damage has nothing to do with dex, it will be less than 4% damage.
he sais that the mostly physical damage comes from critical blow.

If you play alone often and want to get at his levels, he would although play variant 2 in Softcore, it will be safer and his meaning is that 28% damage you wouldn´t feel but 220% life you will.

[Shinlos]

Hm ist der Guide noch aktuell?
Dann
1. Zum Guide. Strafe ist keinesfalls nicht zum killen geeignet. Gegen 2-5 starke Einzelmonster ist es gar effektiver als Multi oder GA.

2. Zum Vorposter: Wie kommst du darauf, dass CB den größten teil des Schadens macht. CB macht nur 1/8 Abzug im Fernkampf. Und Außerdem wirkt CB bei Multi nur auf die mittleren 2 Pfeile.
€dit by Drow-Elf:
This is a Guide in English, please write in English

Translation:
Is this Guide actual?

1. To the Guide. If you use Strafe against 2-5 strong Enemies it could be more effectiv than Multi oder GuidedArrow.

2. To ExElNeT: Why do you think, that Critical Blow (CB) will make the most damage? CB only makes 1/8 from the life of the monster in ranged attacks. And CB will work when using Muti only with the 2 middle arrows.


Edit (by Shinlos): Thx drow_elf for translating, i somehow didnt realize lol.

[countdracula]

The Guide is not really actual - as it says - the version is 7.59

At the moment i do not have the time to rewrite it for the new version.

@exelnet - if you are right it is probably better to stat vita, but recording to d2wissen each point in dex gives 1% more dam on bows. so 100 dex mean 100% more damage.

[webwalker]

A friendly thank-you to the guide writers and guide translators!

A note for making the guide more accurate: Please distinguish between "Critical Strike" (double physical damage, generally abbreviated CS), "Deadly Strike" (double physical damage, generally abbreviated DS) and "Crushing Blow" (remove 1/8 of remaining life from target, then apply physical damage, generally abbreviated CB)

Pehaps an abbreviation set could be found that functioned well in both languages (English and German) but I don't know enough German to venture a guess.

Critical Strike is Amazon-specific, while Deadly Strike is general.  The two are mutually exclusive, you never get triple or quadruple damage by getting both.

CB is independent of CS and DS, getting CS or DS has no effect on whether or not you'll get CB.

[countdracula]

using only english abreviations would probably be the best. correct me if i am wrong somewhere. but i don't want to edit the guide now, because i don't play atm and i do not spend a lot of time in the forum, too.

[Shinlos]

Maybe i'm gonna rewrite it for Version 7.60, since Multi Skill is changed, which affects the Skill distribution.

[countdracula]

if you post it to me by pm i will edit it in the first post.
Or you open a new thread.

[Shinlos]

Would do it in the Wiki

Edit: Wheeee Picup

[countdracula]

ok, i link it then

[ExElNeT]

@countdracula 100dex 100% dmg cant be right. just check it out with some dexitems.

@shinlos i didnt know cb thing ... thanks, i think i wont wear uber jewlery then.

@drow-elf thanks for translating my post, i was just too lazy

greetz

[Shinlos]

Ãœber Jewelry is good even though.

[Olfmo]

what is meant is that 100 dex give 100ed what i think is right...

so if you just have (just for example) 100 base dmg and already 500ed (from forti, blood, whatever) you will have 600 damage instead of 500 if you have 100 dex more

hope it's right and understandable

[Striper]

100 dex = 100 ed is only right for a physically damage ama (strafe/multishot). This guide here is a magician ama, here is dex not so important, except for leeching (no hit, no leech ).

[countdracula]

this ama also uses multishot. I think multishot is quite good for killing. better than freezing arrows. Because of this, dex is useful. Especially because multishot does not give any ed bonus. So u will not have a lot of ed (only from items other than the weapon).

For example blood gives ed, or fortitude. But dex is still useful to push the damage.
Well - but at first you have to have enough life to stay alife - but if you kill faster, and do more damage, you leech more, and the enemies won't hit you because they are dead. So u might stay alife, too.

[ExElNeT]

my calculation  is based on an ama with a high dmg bow and highlvl equip and about 2000ed overall. just open a dmg calculator and play around with dex a bit, u ll see the overall dmg will only raise 4% per 100dex... its not worth it, check it out

greetz

[Shinlos]

2000ed overall means?:
2 Blood = 400 ED
+ Forti = 300 ED
+ Arrows = max 300 ED, better say 250
thats 1050
so u gonna need Ãœber Boots for ~400 ED
and 600 Dex.

Pretty hard to reach imho.

[ExElNeT]

+ conc aura
+ fana aura
+ might
+ 100ed in rings (diva)

[Shinlos]

Oh yes there are Auras too ; )
It's not wrong to stat Dex even though cuz of AR and a bit Dam is also there.


Edit:
My Guide is finished.
Biggest Part in German, but with english summary with the interesting parts for the international users.
http://chaosempire.info/cms/index.php?option=com_wikidoc&task=viewcontent&docid=4&Itemid=7&sid=38&cid=38

[countdracula]

Translated the whole guide to english again.

[Shinlos]

Thx for translating.