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Decyphering the Doll Stash

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Tamttai:
and he did so offline if got him right so whats the problem ? dont tell me downloading characters from the last ladder and putting their items on other offline characters isnt duping in a more global way (cuz everyone is downloading and thus these items r multiplied)

Olfmo:
first of all there's a difference because chaos uploaded the file with the chars, but chaos always said duping in ce is not tolerated (whether in mp or in sp)

also with duped dolls you won't get the same results as with legal found ones, so the guide is nearly useless

webwalker:

--- Quote ---@brian: why do you call it research?
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Because that is clearly what it was.
The difference is on the one hand, study the game to find out how its mechanics work, and on the other, to defeat, bypass, or cheapen the challenge of the game.

If you fill up a stash with 16000 dolls at level 36 just so you have an easier time of playing the game, that's duping to bypass the challenge of the game.  Finding out (the key is the intention) what happens if... is research, not hacking, cheating, duping.

Since Chaos has said explicitly that the doll stash is intended to be a mystery object, further research is abandoned.  Since I don't imagine anybody having the time to build 100+ characters to put *only* anya dolls in the character named "xXxAnYaDoLlSxXx", and ... (etc), I don't imagine this research will be done any other way, either.

Olfmo:
just by calling the duping research it doesn't get better... so i don't get your point

if somebody would hack into the game files just to reveal some secret recipes (i am sure some exist, but that's not the point^^) you could call that research too but it would still be cheating

i agree with you that the doll stash research is very hard and probably is not possible without duping, but we gotta deal with that...

Bubonous:
I seem to be lucky today to be able to post in my own thread.

As many other people would tell you, having these sort of discussions through PM is usually the way to go.  We may want to consider that option.


--- Quote ---but he actually wrote in his guide (which i read when it was online) that he duped dolls in sp to do the tests
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FYI, I “duped” by backing up and restoring save files in single player, not by using some third party program while on the server.  The “duped” dolls have not and will not be used by my regular characters.  ChaosEnergy created ChaosEmpire by “hacking” D2LOD v1.10.  People created attack speed, faster cast, and faster hit recovery breakpoint tables and other such collections of technical information by “hacking” the game to make it run in a debug mode and reveal what happens frame by frame, “hacking” the game to make it run differently to test an equipment modifier more easily, or “hacking” into the game to read the text files.  There is a big difference between creating dupes purely for experimentation and creating dupes for use in trades or to sell on d2items.com, just as there is a big difference between hacking into the game to create a mod and hacking into the game to create a cheat or bot to use on BNet.  Furthermore, copying and pasting save files on my computer does not violate the EULA; setting up the game to run on a server other than BNet does.  People in glass houses should be careful about throwing stones.


--- Quote --- besides, if chaos changed the recipes again it's useless anyway
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--- Quote ---also with duped dolls you won't get the same results as with legal found ones, so the guide is nearly useless
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Working hard to dissuade people from getting a copy of the guide, are we?  Certainly the Doll Stash Guide was worse than useless for keeping how the doll stash works secret.  Had Chaos told me he wanted it kept a secret rather than continuing to post “hints” that were really misdirections, the guide would never have been posted.  Now that I know he wants it a secret, it shall not be reposted or distributed by me.

Anyone who calls duping for the sole purpose of finding out how the game works wrong and then trades for high runes or jewels on BNet and/or uses character guides or web site references other than Blizzard’s site that include IAS, FHR, FCR, or other such technical information or God forbid actually mods the game is being hypocritical, whether they realize it or not.

Just my 2 cents.

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